Who do you think the "First People" are? The Observers? Literally, the first people? Alters? (I know we have a question similar, just thought I'd ask a separate one for the "First People" alone).
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First People - After watching Ep 1.06, I realized where I've seen this before.
"All of this has happened before, and it will happen again." It's a theme from BSG, where the human race wiped itself out and rebuilt from their ashes quite literally.
It's likely the alternate universe came first. That explains why they have the machine mostly assembled. They've evolved along a different path, which makes them seem advanced and backwards at the same time.
So the present universe is a rebooted version, with its machine in pieces. How are they existing in parallel is beyond me at the moment. This show defies explanation sometimes.
Maybe the universe is supposed to end up like this. Something someone does is going to cause destruction and then the cycle repeats itself until the right choices are made. (It's sounds too much like the movie "Groundhog Day".)
"All of this has happened before, and it will happen again." It's a theme from BSG, where the human race wiped itself out and rebuilt from their ashes quite literally.
It's likely the alternate universe came first. That explains why they have the machine mostly assembled. They've evolved along a different path, which makes them seem advanced and backwards at the same time.
So the present universe is a rebooted version, with its machine in pieces. How are they existing in parallel is beyond me at the moment. This show defies explanation sometimes.
Maybe the universe is supposed to end up like this. Something someone does is going to cause destruction and then the cycle repeats itself until the right choices are made. (It's sounds too much like the movie "Groundhog Day".)
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Initially I thought it meant one universe came before the other and another was a divergence from a past choice/decision...though I'm not sure exactly which might have come first. Ours or the alternaverse...
But the more I think about it the more the Observers being the 'First people' makes sense. I definitely want to know more about them and their rules and why they do what they do and what it all means. I can only hope we learn more about them in s3.
But the more I think about it the more the Observers being the 'First people' makes sense. I definitely want to know more about them and their rules and why they do what they do and what it all means. I can only hope we learn more about them in s3.
Since I posted the question I read FringeBloggers, and I have to kind of agree with what was suggested on there, which ties in with what you've just said. "First People" was in place of our "Parallel Universes". Which means they could have been the "first people" and we're their parallel universe, which would explain why they're so far ahead of us. The Observers could work too. As far as we know there's one for every month and I think that that's going to be significant, maybe somehow the months were named after them instead of the other way around, what with them being the 'first people'? I also think it's important that it was in place of "parallel worlds" and in .the alternate title sequence which must tie in to its meaning. by Danielle 3 years ago
I definitely agree that the first people replacing where parallel universes is in the credits was 100% intentional. It's a clue! Perhaps one that Wyman and Pinkner told us was one of many clues to come for s3.
Exactly. We're THEIR parallel universe would be interesting to see. If they came "first" then they are the "first people". Though it makes me wonder when the exact split occured and what moment it was it that caused Over There to be so propelled into further advanced technology than us?
As for the months and them being named after Observers rather than the months being named after them? That sort of makes sense. If they're just going by the modern Gregorian calendar names rather than whatever they used to be called long ago, whether they used to go by the Roman or Julian calendar names or what have you.
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In the episode in S2 in which walter tells olivia how he went in the other universe, you can see, at the very beginning, that they already have cell phones similar to what we have now (walter is shown with a cellphone he copied from the other universe to military officers), even though it happens in 1991, so i think that their more advanced technology may have something to do with the events due to walter crossing over, but it would only have influenced them to work on specific points, in which our universe (if i can call it that) has reached the point they are at, and in some they even are behind us because of it.
In the episode in S2 in which walter tells olivia how he went in the other universe, you can see, at the very beginning, that they already have cell phones similar to what we have now (walter is shown with a cellphone he copied from the other universe to military officers), even though it happens in 1991, so i think that their more advanced technology may have something to do with the events due to walter crossing over, but it would only have influenced them to work on specific points, in which our universe (if i can call it that) has reached the point they are at, and in some they even are behind us because of it.
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There is a theory in cosmology called "Sum over Histories" that states that there are an unlimited number of universes. Each one a result of every choice that is made form each inhabitant in all directions. That for a given event where there is a choice made every possible choice is in fact made, it just plays out in a parallel universe. Very weird I know, but it is said that if you have an infinite number of monkeys typing on an infinite number of typewriters, eventually one will give you Shakespeare?? This was done to some extent in the movie with Jet Li called "The one". I believe there are parallel universes, like soap bubbles, one next the next, to the next... I think each is just slightly different from the one beside it, but just slightly. You might be able to move somehow to the one next to you, but not to one farther away where the laws of physics would be unrecognizable. As always, there would be a price to pay. You might not be able to return, or you would be physicaly affected and not live long. There is always a price.
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The observers use pens for there note books, but pens are not used on the other side which means that the observers are from this side.
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Alters are the people who thinks out of the matrix. Funny thing my group of awakening humans have called ourselves @lters for 3 years. Some time before Fringe., Greetings.
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Wait, if the parallel universe was the first people, then why would they need to get parts from the other side?
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Just a guess, but could it be that there are two "first people"? So the Observers may be the first people of our universe, while for example Sam Weiss could be a representative of the "first people" of the alternate one
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I think that the observer are the first people and the first people existed a millenia ago and that Peter is somehow connected to them, that would explain why the observers said that he was important and how he could use Augusts' gun.
If Peter is connected to the observers it might be why Walter experimented on him when he was young, he was maybe trying to tap into that connection.
There has been evidence that Peter is sick, maybe something genetic, but i have no theories about that.
If Peter is connected to the observers it might be why Walter experimented on him when he was young, he was maybe trying to tap into that connection.
There has been evidence that Peter is sick, maybe something genetic, but i have no theories about that.
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I beleive the first people where living, and they encountered an apocolyptic event, just like we will eventually encounter at one point. They tried to build the vacuum to create a second universe to live in unnaffected by ours. But they didn't realise it woud just duplicate ours, and it would face cotatstrophy too. So they all died out, because in the alternate universe they're were just new versions of themselves who thought they were there all along and tried to escape to ours. And we are left with two universes for that. But at some point down the road, we will be just as advanced as them, but then it will be our turn for apocolyptic events, just like the first people. So technichally, we are just as technologically advanced, just that we are not as far into the process as the first people. (as for observers, maybe a small group didnt invest time in alternate universe but in time machine. And they want to have witnessed the battle that they're friends who were working on the alternate universe created for us. Or maybe they are from the distant future watching an important phase of history, as someone said before. Who knows for real?)
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First people, middle people, last people.... Who cares! Sounds like there are plenty on both sides who would rather have it as 'only one people'. Let the battle begin!
Oddly enough, are they battling for existence or to fulfill an objective that goes back in time to those first people? Like an unfinished task, perhaps? The first cult?!?!
Oddly enough, are they battling for existence or to fulfill an objective that goes back in time to those first people? Like an unfinished task, perhaps? The first cult?!?!
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Based on te information explicitly given in the show so far, I think the "first people" are different from the Observers. This is not to say they are unconnected, but the Observers have been shown to be an organization of non-human (super-human?) beings that do not obey our laws of physics. As someone on another forum put it, the Observers exist outside of time. As for who the "first people" might be, their ciilizaion goes far back enough as to presume they could have been responsible for creating the parallel universe. Maybe they predicted a cataclysmic event on our side that motivated them to create tue vacuum and thereby creat a second universe. Perhaps they intended to destroy their original universe but were unable to. May e, somehow, the creation of a parallel dime Sion caused the vacuum itself to be split between the two universes.
One issue I would like address that seems to be causing confusion is the number stations (on the radio). They don't necessarily come from the first people and in fact this is highly u likely given the fact that they are using modern languages. I definitely distinguished German numbers. Unless the show claims that the firs people even introduced language - but in such a way that it would ultimately evolve into the same language the first people used - I think a better theory is thy these number stations originated from the future. Either the other or on our side, someone broadcast these radio waves in sub a way that the waves could be recede in the past (relative to them, which would be our present). The show has done a great jib of filling out the mythos so far, and I am excited to see how they work in all of tees details, the observers (especially that mining-drill-missile), samuel Weiss, and everything else we have learned about so far. Let us not forget the war iisfar from over - it seems the other side has just learned about cortexophan!
One issue I would like address that seems to be causing confusion is the number stations (on the radio). They don't necessarily come from the first people and in fact this is highly u likely given the fact that they are using modern languages. I definitely distinguished German numbers. Unless the show claims that the firs people even introduced language - but in such a way that it would ultimately evolve into the same language the first people used - I think a better theory is thy these number stations originated from the future. Either the other or on our side, someone broadcast these radio waves in sub a way that the waves could be recede in the past (relative to them, which would be our present). The show has done a great jib of filling out the mythos so far, and I am excited to see how they work in all of tees details, the observers (especially that mining-drill-missile), samuel Weiss, and everything else we have learned about so far. Let us not forget the war iisfar from over - it seems the other side has just learned about cortexophan!
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First People are people existing in only one universe. These are people without ???doppelgangers??? and I believe this is one of the keys to understand the connections between the two realities. It is also possible that now Peter has become one of this ???First People??? and that's why his singularity is so important for the story.
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NOTE: I didn't think my original post posted as an unregistered user but it did, so it appears I've posted two very similar answers. My apologies.
I think that the reason the Altaverse has progressed further technologically is in response to their environment. After Walter's initial interaction with the parallel universe they suffered a lot of damaged compared to our universe which suffered very little. As a result, they were forced to find ways to combat those conditions and turned to technology to do that. Also, they are more militaristic as a result as well. They felt that Walter's incursion to their side was the start of a war, whereas our universe had no such indication (as a whole) that a war would occur between universes.
As for the First People aspect, my thought is that they are the original people of the first universe. Walter has always spoken of the fact that every human has further cognitive capabilities than are apparent as we are born with them, but at some point as society influences us we lose those abilities. Supposing that the First People retained those abilities, they probably developed with more cognitive capacity and thus would have advanced further in terms of technology as well. It would explain how the "old tech" could have existed. At some point before this our universe was created and we diverged, and as such developed at a different rate in a different way. The First People also probably had more foresight and abilities to see within our future to have designed the weapon specifically for Peter, knowing what was to happen. For what purpose I don't know. But this is what I assume gathering the looming questions we've been presented with coupled with the facts we've received.
I think that the reason the Altaverse has progressed further technologically is in response to their environment. After Walter's initial interaction with the parallel universe they suffered a lot of damaged compared to our universe which suffered very little. As a result, they were forced to find ways to combat those conditions and turned to technology to do that. Also, they are more militaristic as a result as well. They felt that Walter's incursion to their side was the start of a war, whereas our universe had no such indication (as a whole) that a war would occur between universes.
As for the First People aspect, my thought is that they are the original people of the first universe. Walter has always spoken of the fact that every human has further cognitive capabilities than are apparent as we are born with them, but at some point as society influences us we lose those abilities. Supposing that the First People retained those abilities, they probably developed with more cognitive capacity and thus would have advanced further in terms of technology as well. It would explain how the "old tech" could have existed. At some point before this our universe was created and we diverged, and as such developed at a different rate in a different way. The First People also probably had more foresight and abilities to see within our future to have designed the weapon specifically for Peter, knowing what was to happen. For what purpose I don't know. But this is what I assume gathering the looming questions we've been presented with coupled with the facts we've received.
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I think the reason the Altaverse is more technologically advanced is in reaction to their environment. Since Walter's initial interaction with the other universe they have suffered far more devastating result than our universe did so it's likely to combat those issues and to prepare for a war (which our side wouldn't know about since we didn't suffer side affects like their aide) they had to shift focus towards faster technological advances.
As for who the first people are, I'm assuming that it may be the people who existed before the first alternate reality was created. Walter has said that we all had abilities beyond what we are now able to use because at some point in societal development we lose them. It's possible that the first people are people who retained these abilities. When the first universe was created we probably shifted focus and lost those capabilities but the original "first people" universe still progressed and hence their more technological background. They developed tech long before we did and given they probably retained primal capabilities could foresee the future enough to design the weapon tailored to Peter. That would be my best guest given the loose threads and facts we've been provided.
As for who the first people are, I'm assuming that it may be the people who existed before the first alternate reality was created. Walter has said that we all had abilities beyond what we are now able to use because at some point in societal development we lose them. It's possible that the first people are people who retained these abilities. When the first universe was created we probably shifted focus and lost those capabilities but the original "first people" universe still progressed and hence their more technological background. They developed tech long before we did and given they probably retained primal capabilities could foresee the future enough to design the weapon tailored to Peter. That would be my best guest given the loose threads and facts we've been provided.
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First people could be so many things... One other theory is that it's going to be the people in the universe that is ahead (remember Brandon's explanation about the lack of synchronicity between the two universes? It would imply one is slightly ahead of the other).
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I think the Observers are humans from far, far into the future who have traveled to the past to witness an apocalyptic event or trace its origins.??
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I don't think that the observers are the first people. Perhaps they were placed on the universe for just keeping the flow of time intact. I believe that they are guardians of the universes. As to who the first people are, It is likely that the first people were the ones from the alternate universe. Refer to the title sequence.
